Jonathon's talked recently about the way his name is modified by Japanese speakers to make it a word they can more easily pronounce. This is probably why, while watching the World Cup game between Brazil and England this afternoon, I noticed the oddball way that the name 'Ronaldo' (who's still an idiot, as far as I'm concerned) is rendered in Korean.
It's doubly odd, because Han'gul (the Korean alphabet) is perfectly capable of rendering the name perfectly.
This
which sounds like Ro - Nal - Do, would be the perfect way to go, I'd think. Sounds almost identical, bar the minor differences in the way the 'r' sound and the 'o' sounds are pronounced in Korea.
But noooo......
For some reason, the Korean spelling of his name on TV today (and all the other times I've seen it) looked like this :
This sounds like Ho - Na - Oo - Doo.
What the hell is up with that? I have no idea.
But this creative mangling of the sounds of names and other words imported from other languages drives me moderately batty sometimes, as one of the things I have to do in my work is (for example) to disabuse my students of the notion that the proper English pronunciation of 'sports' is 'suh-PO-chuh', which is the correct way to pronounce the word as it is written in Korean. This tends to be difficult, as they've seen and heard the word in all its Konglish glory every damn day of their lives for 20 years, on the evening news.
Don't even get me started on 'Fighting!'
Ah well. That's what they pay me the big bucks for.
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Dorothea Salo said
The Korean transcription is fine, reflecting normal Brazilian Portuguese pronunciation.
Initial 'r' in Brazilian Portuguese is indeed pronounced as English 'h' in 'horse'. (The excellent movie Bye Bye Brazil does an extended riff on this fact that my Portuguese class found fall-down funny when we watched it.) Syllable-final 'l' tends to vocalize to an oo-ish sort of sound. And word-final 'o' is pronounced 'oo' as in 'toot'.
I'll spare you the phonological history here. Just take my word for it; the Koreans know what they're doing.
June 22, 2002 12:15 PM
jo said
hey stav-- "HWAI TING!"
June 22, 2002 12:40 PM
jo said
I'm reminded of what I always thought was the Korean word for slippers: "Ssrebbah". When I learned that it was actually an English word, I told my mom that it didn't sound anything like it. As with a lot of things, she blamed it on the Japanese.
June 22, 2002 12:47 PM
Jonathon Delacour said
Heh, blame it on the Japanese. Marvellous. The all-purpose scapegoat.
One of my occasional pleasures is having my English "corrected" by Japanese friends.
June 22, 2002 3:27 PM
stavrosthewonderchicken said
Cool - thanks Dorothy! I'm happy to know that it's an accurate transliteration, actually. I didn't realize that our English pronunciation was in fact incorrect.
Ironic, no?
June 22, 2002 7:40 PM
Dorothea Salo said
Any time. What's a U Blog linguistics professorship for? :)
Just goes to show that sometimes it *helps* to be speaking a totally unrelated language. You start out with fewer notions about what stuff is supposed to sound like.
I haven't been listening to World Cup coverage much, and I haven't heard a Brazil game at all. Are they really saying the name as if it were Spanish? Row-NAL-dow? What do they do with Ronaldinho (which should be something like how-naoo-JEEN-yoo)?
June 23, 2002 2:55 PM
nick said
I was going to play all multilingual, but Dorothea got in authoritatively: it's good that British commentators are at least approximating the 'doo' sound-endings for Brazillian '-do' names these days, though not the initial aspirant 'r's. So we end up with something that satisfies no-one. A bit like how General Pinochet ends up as French-sounding 'Pee-no-shay' rather than Spanish 'Pi-no-SHETT'.
June 23, 2002 5:04 PM
Prentiss Riddle said
Forgive me if this is in a FAQ somewhere, but I've been Googling and this old blog entry of yours is the best authority I've been able to find. (Sad, isn't it?)
Can you explain to me why the name of the South Korean pres is transliterated "Roh" but pronounced "Noh"?
Thanks!
March 30, 2003 4:09 PM
stavrosthewonderchicken said
I asked one of my Korean colleagues at the university a while back, Prentiss, and he (if I recall correctly) said it was the North Korean style, and related to the hanja (chinese character) roots of the name.
This may be apocryphal, though.
March 30, 2003 5:44 PM
Anthony said
Ronaldo is correctly pronounced "Ho-na-u-do" in Brazil. We have a weird accent - it's like American English vs. British English.
November 7, 2003 2:01 AM